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Ex-Anthropic Whistleblower Suspects Chinese Spies Inside America’s AI Labs

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Former OpenAI and Anthropic researcher Jacob Coxon says the labs are racing toward self-improving AI without a safety plan and expects 2027 to be the year that becomes obvious.

ShowPBD Podcast

Episode dateOctober 6, 2026

Runtime105 min

FeaturingJacob Coxon, Patrick Bet-David

Viral resignation: Jacob Coxon's Sept 8 tweet announcing he quit Anthropic (after prior stints at OpenAI) drew 803,000 likes and 175 million views by Bet-David's count, and Bet-David credits it with indirectly prompting a White House AI meeting.
Spy suspicion, not proof: Coxon says he is 90% certain China already has spies inside OpenAI and Anthropic, but names no individuals and says he isn't trying to start a witch hunt.
No real vetting: He says AI labs, unlike SpaceX, can hire foreign nationals with no serious background checks, calling this a national-security gap given the technology's power.
2027 as inflection: He expects 2027 to be a crazy year, with AI news becoming daily, and says next year is probably when people realize this is super-weapon technology that should be nationalized.
Culture contrast: He describes Anthropic as a mission-aligned culture where all seven co-founders (ex-OpenAI) stayed, versus OpenAI's higher turnover and Sam Altman's vaguer public messaging versus Dario Amodei's blunt probability talk.
Financial stakes: Coxon left unvested Anthropic stock behind, says he is living on money from his OpenAI years, and has no fund or startup planned.

Deep dive

The resignation and its aftermath

Coxon quit Anthropic on September 8, after three years total across pretraining research at OpenAI and Anthropic, posting a thread that drew 803,000 likes and 175 million views; host Patrick Bet-David notes a White House AI meeting followed shortly after, which Coxon says he had no advance coordination with politicians or the companies about. He describes a deliberate strategy modeled partly on Leopold Aschenbrenner's "Situational Awareness" manifesto — delaying his departure by a week to brief the Wall Street Journal and line up a handful of friends to retweet — but insists the viral spread (reaching tens of thousands of likes before a planned quote-tweet was even finished) was organic, not an orchestrated psyop, a characterization Elon Musk floated publicly on Twitter; Coxon later DM'd Musk and got only a brief reply. Bet-David notes he left unvested Anthropic stock behind; Coxon says he is living on money from his OpenAI years and, unlike Aschenbrenner, has no planned fund, startup, or monetization scheme.

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Also inside: 01 China, spies, and the race dynamic · 02 OpenAI versus Anthropic · 03 Talent economics and the AI-run company · 04 Risk scenarios and personal preparation

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