Podcast20VC

20VC: Trillion or Bust: The New VC Game | Coreweave Sell-Off Creates Panic | Town at $1B, Anduril at $90B: Revenue Multiples Out of Control | General Atlantic Eyes IPO & Modal Raises $750M at $15.75B

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Mega-fund venture capital now ignores profitable, fast-growing startups unless they promise billion-dollar-plus ownership stakes in trillion-dollar categories.

Show20VC

Episode dateOctober 22, 2026

Runtime61 min

Venture barbell forming: Mega-funds now demand billion-dollar position potential or nothing, while fast-growing (600-700% growth) profitable startups get ignored unless they fit narrow AI/defense/space categories.
CoreWeave sell-off framed as B-tier risk: panelists call CoreWeave and Oracle "B-tier" relative to NVIDIA, carrying $35-40B debt against ~$7B run-rate, making them hypersensitive to any AI demand wobble.
Anthropic IPO chatter cools: Q3 revenue hit $16.8B (+45% QoQ, 85% gross margin) but IPO pricing talk slid from $2T to $1.5T amid fears of 10% market-share erosion within a year.
Modal raises $750M at $15.75B led by Excel, up from sub-$100M valuation in late 2024, spotlighting an inference market the panel says captures <5% of the ~$110B OpenAI+Anthropic revenue pool.
Valuation disconnect debated: Town at $1B (Series B, no real data) and Anduril at $90B (~40x revenue) raise questions on whether private multiples have detached from public comps.
Berkshire buys more Bending Spoons ($330M), likened to a 'Berkshire of software' holding enduring assets like Evernote and Vimeo; 37signals' $370M bootstrapped profit since 2020 reframes venture-free growth.

Deep dive

Venture's billion-dollar-or-nothing bar

Harry opens with a tweet-sparked debate: startups growing 600-700%, profitable, with strong teams are getting "crickets" from VCs. Jason and Rory agree the market has narrowed around a handful of categories — anything that can't be painted as a "trillion-dollar market cap" struggles, while speculative bets like data centers in space and quantum computing get funded instead. Rory explains the math: billion-dollar funds need billion-dollar positions in every deal just to move the needle, since a $2B stake in a company like Listen Labs isn't enough without majority ownership. Both guests say the old rule — top-decile growth equals an automatic term sheet from the top seven firms — no longer holds; founders now must "meet 100" investors to find someone who'll take the bet at a reasonable price. Jason adds that seed investing has gotten structurally harder because large multi-stage funds crush seed allocations, so a $300K check in an $18B company "doesn't move the needle."

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Also inside: 01 CoreWeave, Oracle, and the "B-tier" trade · 02 Anthropic's numbers and the IPO discount · 03 Code review as the "most important category" · 04 Inference boom: Modal, Town, and valuation disconnects · 05 Capital structures: Berkshire, 37signals, and GA's IPO path · 06 Endowments and Elon's finale

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