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PodcastBig Technology PodcastOctober 14, 2026

AI Leaders Can't Get Along. So How Will They Keep Us Safe? — With Kevin Roose

Roose argues AI labs' belief-driven culture explains their lead, but their deep personal rivalries undermine trust in safely building superintelligence.

  • Infighting as research finding: Roose says interviewing 150+ people revealed AI lab rivalries are "like Rome and Carthage," not normal business competition, since Amodei, Sutskever, Altman and Musk were once OpenAI colleagues.
  • Trust problem: Roose argues no individual or small group ("maybe a couple dozen people") should be trusted to govern superintelligence, given a Red Queen's race dynamic where no lab can stop racing.

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